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how much pressure is speaker boehner under? does he have real allies at this point, since it seems he's being pulled in multiple directions here? >> speaker boehner is under enormous pressure, and if he needed to have this vote with just his own caucus or conference, he wouldn't be able to get it done. to the vote in the house, i think for every -- i think there's more tom coles there than we know that won't speak up. >> why won't they speak up? are they waiting to see the next round of back and forth? >> well, that could be part of it, but also, they're a little bit concerned about what their constituents are going to say. they don't want their e-mail box bombarded by the heritage foundation. now you see two extreme views. i think you'll end up at the trillion dollar mark, and i think that speaker boehner will need a lot of of democrats but i think he'll get them if everybody can come to a plan. he can use his moderates and democrats and get the votes he needs. >> thank you all for your time. great pleasure to have you on the
how much pressure is speaker boehner under? does he have real allies at this point, since it seems he's being pulled in multiple directions here? >> speaker boehner is under enormous pressure, and if he needed to have this vote with just his own caucus or conference, he wouldn't be able to get it done. to the vote in the house, i think for every -- i think there's more tom coles there than we know that won't speak up. >> why won't they speak up? are they waiting to see the next...
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speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs. the heritage foundation skewered the boehner counteroffer on its blog. at first blush, it appears little more than categorical preemptive capitulation. to be fair, the details of the republican proposal are extraordinarily vague to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details that it is utterly unacceptable. president obama said today there is a time and a place to discuss reforming the tax code. but that time is not now. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are congressman tim walls, democrat from minnesota, and karen finney, the former dnc di
speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs. the heritage foundation skewered the boehner counteroffer on its blog. at first blush, it appears little more than categorical preemptive capitulation. to be fair, the details of the republican proposal are extraordinarily vague to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details that it is utterly unacceptable. president obama said today there is a time and a place to discuss reforming the tax code. but that time is not...
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we have not seen that same support from republicans to speaker boehner. he has the rank and file behind him, but we have conservative voices both in the senate and house criticize the plan he put on the table. with that said, again, i guess my initial question is where do you see progress? you noted where the president stood the line and been loyal to the words he offered to the american public upon re-election, but as far as these negotiations are concerned, where is the progress? >> well, i think republican voices are being raised. even lindsey graham over in the senate and in the house, you're seeing the congressman speak out from ohio. though he's leaving, he sees a path forward to an agreement. i think we need 218 to pass a measure in the house, and i think we're on the road to do that. >> quickly, we have to talk about major changes to social security and medicare. you are against it. a new poll shows that 70% are opposed to medicaid spending cuts, 51% oppose raising medicare age. where are you you willing to compromise on entitlements when that par
we have not seen that same support from republicans to speaker boehner. he has the rank and file behind him, but we have conservative voices both in the senate and house criticize the plan he put on the table. with that said, again, i guess my initial question is where do you see progress? you noted where the president stood the line and been loyal to the words he offered to the american public upon re-election, but as far as these negotiations are concerned, where is the progress? >>...
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the president is john boehner are facing off for what couldçe a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> of course the speaker had to clarify that since the house is not back in session till tuesday. leaving just three days on the legislative calendar to get a deal. don't work too hard, guys. the president began his day meeting with business leaders a suring them he passionately roots for their success. even as he broke the news face to face that their taxes are going up. >>. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in in way that will affect your spending, lifestyles or the econo
the president is john boehner are facing off for what couldçe a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available at any...
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we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key guys. he can only go so far. i would guess that they're the ones holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say
we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key...
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. >> i feel almost sorry for john boehner. >> does john boehner have control of his caucus? >> will john boehner lead his sdmaukz. >> is he leading his caucus or will his caucus lead him? >> two party two is going to dwarf tea party one. >> this is embarrassing. >> he's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has been short on specifics. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> the same exact policies. >> this shows that republicans are really chicken hawks. >> you can't be serious. >> chicken hawks when it comes to reducing the debt. >> get serious. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> the path to nowhere. >> be prepared for the plunge. >> i would say we're know where know where. >> there's clearly a chance. >>> today, john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan finally kind of sort of responded to the president's budget proposal, a proposal of their own that they were so unmarried to that they didn't put their names on it. they said the whole thing was er
. >> i feel almost sorry for john boehner. >> does john boehner have control of his caucus? >> will john boehner lead his sdmaukz. >> is he leading his caucus or will his caucus lead him? >> two party two is going to dwarf tea party one. >> this is embarrassing. >> he's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has been...
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i think boehner, a lot of us want a big deal. we're willing to put everything on the table. >> including new revenue? >> including new revenue. when we talk about they're going to cut, add revenue, cut expenses, we're running $1.3 trillion a year. we're going bankrupt if we don't figure out how to do this in a big way, and i think boehner wants to get that done. i think he can lead on that. i'm glad they're together. i just don't -- over the years i've been in business, you know, you given the professionals an opportunity to get it done but at the end of the day you get in a room yourself and we're not leaving until it gets done. >> do you sense eric cantor, kevin mccarthy, other leaders will give john boehner the room that he needs to do the deal? >> i do. >> without worrying about having to come back and getting his knees cut out from underneath him? >> they've sent some signals. i don't know it if you've been reading. i'm sure you've seen a loft different things about members but i think they want to get a big deal, a substant
i think boehner, a lot of us want a big deal. we're willing to put everything on the table. >> including new revenue? >> including new revenue. when we talk about they're going to cut, add revenue, cut expenses, we're running $1.3 trillion a year. we're going bankrupt if we don't figure out how to do this in a big way, and i think boehner wants to get that done. i think he can lead on that. i'm glad they're together. i just don't -- over the years i've been in business, you know,...
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they will also meet with john boehner. boehner counter proposal yesterday. $600 billion in cuts in entitlement and $250 billion in changes in way the government changes inflation that would impact social security. let me bring in the national journal from the editor. good morning. i want to talk to you about this republican proposal saying republicans in congress want to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates. we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach to the deficit. it does have some revenue in it, even though it's not from tax increases. so what does this opening offer say about where we are in these negotiations? >> well, it seems very difficult to imagine that we're going to be getting to a deal that will handle everything that needs to be addressed before the end of the year. i think the first main thing that needs to be addressed is the question of the tax cuts expiring. and for the obama administration, the question is, is it in their interest to trade tax cuts for
they will also meet with john boehner. boehner counter proposal yesterday. $600 billion in cuts in entitlement and $250 billion in changes in way the government changes inflation that would impact social security. let me bring in the national journal from the editor. good morning. i want to talk to you about this republican proposal saying republicans in congress want to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates. we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced...
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they are speaking as one with john boehner. so that's, i think, the big difference is that boehner, cantor, mccarthy, throw paul ryan in there, this is a quartet that is moving as one, negotiating as one. there's no, none of this looking over the shoulder. on the leadership side, it's a much different story. yes, it really depends on how you want to try to view it. can you find more rank-and-file conservative republicans who are sort of not in the circle? yes. to complain. but there's no -- there's no alternative. >> bob, you, yesterday, shadowed grover norquist for quite some time. you went to the meeting, his wednesday meeting. >> that's right. >> he has all the time with some of the most powerful conservatives in d.c. and across the country attending. what was their attitude about any deal that boehner might have to make? >> it's pretty interesting when you talk to house republicans because they look at boehner from two different perspectives. on one side, boehner went in front of the house conference and he said, i'm not go
they are speaking as one with john boehner. so that's, i think, the big difference is that boehner, cantor, mccarthy, throw paul ryan in there, this is a quartet that is moving as one, negotiating as one. there's no, none of this looking over the shoulder. on the leadership side, it's a much different story. yes, it really depends on how you want to try to view it. can you find more rank-and-file conservative republicans who are sort of not in the circle? yes. to complain. but there's no --...
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the fact that speaker boehner rejected that, we're in a tough spot right now. what the republican leadership in the house has to do is say look here's what we want to do, here's what we believe we should do. they have to understand that the president won, the democrats gained seats in the house and the senate. the american people have said find that common ground, the beginning of that common ground is make sure we protect the tax cuts for the middle class. make sure we don't hurt the fragile economic recovery in the short term and let's deal with protecting medicare and deficit reduction for the long term. >> there's a piece in the "new york times" talking about the president's new negotiate i want aing style. it said mr. obama scattered by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by his re-election has shown to be a dlimp different negotiate or. the white house reminded people what the president basically campaigned on saying that everybody knew going in what they were getting re-lecting th this stifle president. does he walk with confidence of re
the fact that speaker boehner rejected that, we're in a tough spot right now. what the republican leadership in the house has to do is say look here's what we want to do, here's what we believe we should do. they have to understand that the president won, the democrats gained seats in the house and the senate. the american people have said find that common ground, the beginning of that common ground is make sure we protect the tax cuts for the middle class. make sure we don't hurt the fragile...
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speaker boehner is ready today. let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe when we get closer to the date, the calendar will concentrate the minds of many people in washington and a conversation
speaker boehner is ready today. let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went...
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if john boehner says, look, mr. president, if you're going to force us to take the tax rates up, that's something we don't want to do, we'll go to 800, but that's it. we're not going to go beyond that, and you can't expect anything from us on a grand bargain beyond 800. that would really reduce the size of any kind of grand bargain. so in some ways, don, what's at stake here is whether they can craft a deal that's win/win. that each side can walk away from something in the short term saying we're encouraged. this gives us greater reason to go on and engage in the grand bargain next year. >> okay. you know, as republicans start to talk about maybe giving, you know, something on this tax hike for the wealthy, is this a white flag? i'm sure some will see it as a waving of a white flag, no? >> there will be a lot of democrats who think it's a white flag and they will say, mr. president, this is gl what he said. you hang tough with those guys and in the end they will cave and there will be some justification for that. ag
if john boehner says, look, mr. president, if you're going to force us to take the tax rates up, that's something we don't want to do, we'll go to 800, but that's it. we're not going to go beyond that, and you can't expect anything from us on a grand bargain beyond 800. that would really reduce the size of any kind of grand bargain. so in some ways, don, what's at stake here is whether they can craft a deal that's win/win. that each side can walk away from something in the short term saying...
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boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment dropped 43%. and revenues doubled. >> that's not the issue. >> yes, it is. >> that's not john boehner's issue. john boehner didn't lose the presidency, my friend. and don't forget that. and by the way, conservatives did not win the presidency and conservatives did not win the senate. it was a lousy year. and you have to deal with that. and let me add one thing. i am a flat tax supply sider and i worked for ronald reagan. reagan compromised. he compromised in 1982 over a lousy deal which he regretted. he compromised in 1983 over a very good social security fix. and then he compromised again in 1986 over a very good
boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment...
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and boehner i think is under even more enormous pressure because a lot of people see boehner if the house as the last best hope for a voiding what a lot of people think is a calamity. >> but leadership isn't calling the other side names. i think when you talk about the big four, boehner, reid, pelosi -- >> no, not them. >> obama is on the legislative branch. we have to give him a break on that. but there are four big people. those four people couldn't be more inept. >> it's boehner -- the mcconnell and pelosi and reid have nothing to do with what's going on between boehner and obama. >> to some extent that's true. >> reid is the guy that pushed obama to extend the bush tax rates in 2010. so reid would i suspect -- >> i'm starting to like him more. i thought of him as senator pat geary from godfather 2. but everybody loves harry. there's a song everybody loves harry. anybodies that that has anything to do with casinos loves harry. just a quick question. you were a big cap guy for a long time. now dividends rates where going up. are you still a big cap guy? i've been a small cap guy. i'll t
and boehner i think is under even more enormous pressure because a lot of people see boehner if the house as the last best hope for a voiding what a lot of people think is a calamity. >> but leadership isn't calling the other side names. i think when you talk about the big four, boehner, reid, pelosi -- >> no, not them. >> obama is on the legislative branch. we have to give him a break on that. but there are four big people. those four people couldn't be more inept. >>...
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it's called the boehner rule. one dollar in spending increase for one dollar for debt limit increase. you balance the budge net 10 years without raising taxes. the republicans aren't giving this up any time and neither are democrats. megyn: do you see irony that the president wants to eliminate congress from raising the debt limit. when he was a senator he said in part we are debating raising a debt limit and he said this is a sign of leadership failure. increasing america's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. washington is shifting the burden on the backs of our children and grandchildren. america has a debt problem and a failure of leadership and america deserves better. >> it's true when bill clinton left office in 2000 we had you are plus and the deficit would have been eliminated as we sit here today what changed that was the republican president and congress. what put us on the path we are on now is not democrats. we would have no collective debt at all if we had left in place the clinton budge
it's called the boehner rule. one dollar in spending increase for one dollar for debt limit increase. you balance the budge net 10 years without raising taxes. the republicans aren't giving this up any time and neither are democrats. megyn: do you see irony that the president wants to eliminate congress from raising the debt limit. when he was a senator he said in part we are debating raising a debt limit and he said this is a sign of leadership failure. increasing america's debt weakens us...
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does john boehner have more control? >> they think obama can get anything through the house of representatives. but everything that has happened since the election all of the moves in the republican caucus have been about boehner consolidating control over that tea party caucus that didn't allow boehner to get a deal in 2011. >> there will be some criticism about it being two people at the table. will they get a deal done? >> i think there's some criticism from republicans about secret negotiations. i hate to break to to people in washington, but all negotiations over policy are secret in washington. that's how legislation gets done. you have to be in a room with negotiators to cut a deal. i wouldn't fret. >> they get criticized for not talking to each other and criticized for how to talk to each other. king maker, leaving before his term is up. says he could be more effective outside of the senate. what are they making of this in washington? >> a lot of people say the allure of a think tank with a big salary. >> more th
does john boehner have more control? >> they think obama can get anything through the house of representatives. but everything that has happened since the election all of the moves in the republican caucus have been about boehner consolidating control over that tea party caucus that didn't allow boehner to get a deal in 2011. >> there will be some criticism about it being two people at the table. will they get a deal done? >> i think there's some criticism from republicans...
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. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over
. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for...
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more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get a freebie is just crazy. >> california at 52%, new york and other places -- >> when you add up all the state and local taxes. hawaii is above 50, as well. >> hawaii is worth it, though. >> california is not bad either. >> unless you need to drive somewhere. right? and don't have a helicopter. >> there's a reason the president takes a helicopter anywhere. you can't drive in d.c. sdl those a >> boston in the city can get like that. last night i was thinking in my mother was still alive, cincinnati versus here, she would see like ten cars an and go oh, i can't believe people -- if she had
more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get...
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>> reporter: they are a long way from a deal, but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this quomz comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all americans get a tax cut on
>> reporter: they are a long way from a deal, but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the...
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comments are very interesting around boehner taking those actions around tea party members in the house. that's substantial. i think at the end of the day it will all come down to means testing. means testing on dividends, means testing on medicare, means testing on social security. that's the way they come to agreement. if you add up all the means testing moves on social security an medicare, that gets but $800 million right there. >> what's the cliff doing to gold? gold's been obviously an interesting trade over the last several sessions. it's been down $30 or so a couple different times. cliff related or something else going on? >> i think it's definitely more economically related. if you look over the last year, take morgan stanley five-year cds versus gold. every time we've had a rise in systemic risk, gold has fallen. over the last month or so, the financial cds, big banks of the united states, that's improved. so there's less global systemic risk, less lehman like risk. but gold has been acting poorly along with oil. so a lot of the economically sensitive under -- indicators are
comments are very interesting around boehner taking those actions around tea party members in the house. that's substantial. i think at the end of the day it will all come down to means testing. means testing on dividends, means testing on medicare, means testing on social security. that's the way they come to agreement. if you add up all the means testing moves on social security an medicare, that gets but $800 million right there. >> what's the cliff doing to gold? gold's been obviously...
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the president's proposal right now on the table as john boehner detailed this week, he basically said this is not a serious proposal and here he is asking for more spending, neil, what i find more conflicting, when, since when is the conversation, the natural conversation become nearly-- we raise taxes or else? and it seemsike the president is saying that that is the only option on the table and ifothing else happens, it's the republican's fault that we fall off the cliff and go into recession in the new year. >> and you don't believe charlie gasperino or what jay carney says, we could deal with spending cuts up front as well? >> i don't know why anybody is surprised by the opening salvo. i think this is basically it. i don't think that the president's going to budge. i mean, there's a dilutional nature of president obama. he won 50% of the vote and yet, he thinks he won 90% of the vote and that's how he's acting now and i don't care what anybody says, there is no rational reason to raise taxes right now. you don't get enough revenue to deal with the deficit and by the way, we got 2.7
the president's proposal right now on the table as john boehner detailed this week, he basically said this is not a serious proposal and here he is asking for more spending, neil, what i find more conflicting, when, since when is the conversation, the natural conversation become nearly-- we raise taxes or else? and it seemsike the president is saying that that is the only option on the table and ifothing else happens, it's the republican's fault that we fall off the cliff and go into recession...
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so that's $200 billion less than speaker boehner's. also something in here that the white house has proposed as a nonstarter for house republicans was having congress give up their debt limit vote. the white house is call being speaker boehner's counteroffer not serious. they're saying there needs to be specifics. but i will tell you that democratic leadership made in a moment of i guess you could say truth, that it does pass the last test. obviously democrats don't like it but it certainly could have more things in it that they don't like. so maybe it's not, as far as a starting point, they actual ply were surprised that republicans -- >> the saying on this one, is he crazy? >> maybe. >> all right. so so far both plans have proposed entitlement cuts but neither has given any specifics. the gop plan calls for an increase in tax revenue but no specifics on where that will come from. how much of this is a real negotiation and how much of it is just politics as usual? >> right now a lot of this is politics and posturing, and sort of openi
so that's $200 billion less than speaker boehner's. also something in here that the white house has proposed as a nonstarter for house republicans was having congress give up their debt limit vote. the white house is call being speaker boehner's counteroffer not serious. they're saying there needs to be specifics. but i will tell you that democratic leadership made in a moment of i guess you could say truth, that it does pass the last test. obviously democrats don't like it but it certainly...
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when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then individuals who have been filing their businesses as s-corporations or pass-through corporations can incorporate and get that lower rate. they can negotiate on the individual rates. >> so you don't think the ordinary income, then, the 39.6% that we're talking about, in that case, would apply to small business. they would fall under the corporate tax rate. >> yes, exactly. people forget that until 1986, corporate and individual rates were separate. a big part of the '86 act was to equalize them. there's a big difference between 2012 and 1986. only 17% of our economy was related to trade in '86. last year in
when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then...
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john boehner is really the only republican power in town. so a lot of people think that he's going to have to move toward the president. right now, he's showing absolutely no signs of that. but public opinion is definitely in the president's side. >> the president seems to be counting on here that if no deal is reached, the gop will get the blame from voters. is that the right calculation to make? >> absolutely. polls show that republicans would overwhelmingly be blamed if the united states goes over the proverbial fiscal cliff. and that's why president obama has an advantage, because he's willing -- he says, this is what he and his advisers say, he's willing to send the nation off of the fiscal cliff, letting all income tax rates to jump, spending cuts to take hold, investment income rates to jump. he's willing to do that. he thinks republicans would get the political blame. republicans, on the other hand, note that listen, the president's going to have to have another term where he's dealing with what's likely to be a deep recession as a r
john boehner is really the only republican power in town. so a lot of people think that he's going to have to move toward the president. right now, he's showing absolutely no signs of that. but public opinion is definitely in the president's side. >> the president seems to be counting on here that if no deal is reached, the gop will get the blame from voters. is that the right calculation to make? >> absolutely. polls show that republicans would overwhelmingly be blamed if the...
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john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share a seat. dent even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john. >> they took my milk and threw it in the garbage. >> "early start" continues right now. >>> i'm so devastated for them. i'm really feeling for them. >> breaking radio silence. two deejays talk about the family of the nurse who took her own life after getting duped by their prank call. >>> top secret rescue mission. an american saved in afghanistan but at a heavy price. >> look who's talking. president obama and john boehner finally get together a little more than three weeks before we hit the fiscal cliff. good morning, everyone. welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. >> it's so night to you have back, john. it's 6:00 a.m. in the east. let's get started. the two men who stand between all of us and the fiscal cliff are finally speaking face-to-face. president obama and house speaker john boehner actually looked into each other's eyes yesterday and they talk
john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share a seat. dent even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john. >> they took my milk and threw it in the garbage. >> "early start" continues right now. >>> i'm so devastated for them. i'm really feeling for them. >> breaking radio silence. two deejays talk about the family of the nurse who took her own life after getting duped by their prank call....
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speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending probl
speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of...
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boehner is getting ready to -- be reasonable? >> no. it means there's disarray in the republican party. >> stephanie: two of the most conservative republicans in the house have been kicked off the house budget committee. a rare move that could make it easier for the fanel to advance a deal with democrats to cut deficits but -- >> grover norquist drowns himself in a bathtub. after he hears that. >> he made me do it. >> stephanie: two of the republicans that vote most often against boehner. boehner is trying to control his caucus. >> i'll be really surprised -- >> stephanie: these two guys, whatever their names are they said despite sweeping changes to medicare and medicaid, paul ryan's budget didn't make deep enough cuts to entitlement. those guys. yeah, that wasn't quite mean enough. [ applause ] >> i would be surprised if boehner kept his leadership position in the next congress. >> stephanie: really? >> yeah. because he's not -- >> stephanie: i picture eric cantor rubbing his hands together like snidely whiplash. >> he can't keep the
boehner is getting ready to -- be reasonable? >> no. it means there's disarray in the republican party. >> stephanie: two of the most conservative republicans in the house have been kicked off the house budget committee. a rare move that could make it easier for the fanel to advance a deal with democrats to cut deficits but -- >> grover norquist drowns himself in a bathtub. after he hears that. >> he made me do it. >> stephanie: two of the republicans that vote...
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people trying to enter the middle class. >> stephanie: the president on boehner. >> obama: speaker boehner and i speak frequently. i think the issue -- >> when will the two of you sit down in a room? >> obama: i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> stephanie: oh please, how many times do you think that boehner drunk dials the president? i'm so flabbergasted! >> get off the phone! >> john, put the phone down. >> stephanie: he drunk dials him. >> john, get away from the phone. we're not going to let you do this. john, stop it. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. [farting sound] >> stephanie: it is -- >> it is not a secret. we can't say it in public or we'll get run out of town. >> stephanie: harry reid again. >> arithmetic. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the rates. that's why romney couldn't explain it during the presidential election. no one can explain it because you can't do it. it is arithmetic. >> a little animated th
people trying to enter the middle class. >> stephanie: the president on boehner. >> obama: speaker boehner and i speak frequently. i think the issue -- >> when will the two of you sit down in a room? >> obama: i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> stephanie: oh please, how many times do you think that boehner drunk dials the president? i'm so flabbergasted! >> get off the phone! >> john, put the phone down. >>...
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president obama and john boehner meet face-to-face on sunday. does it mean we're any closer to the solution to the fiscal cliff? >>> a news conference by chairman ben bernanke, set for wednesday.
president obama and john boehner meet face-to-face on sunday. does it mean we're any closer to the solution to the fiscal cliff? >>> a news conference by chairman ben bernanke, set for wednesday.
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dispatch the lieutenants in this case because it is president of the united states and speaker boehner and what not of the as i said you send out your feelers behind the scenes for back rm discussions if not negotiations that the erican public is never going to berivy too of course. melissa: yeah. >> i would be very surprised if that wasn't going on because the magnitude of what this means to this country and the economy of this country is so profound that i would be shocked if, that there is --. melissa: well, i don't know. you're going back to giving them a lot of credit. i'm not sure i'm willing to go there with you. what do you think of tte fact boboth sides come out instantly after an offer is that it is terrible? president obama was out here, blink of the eye after republicans came out with their plan to say this is not in the spirit. >> today you're talking about? messa: yeah, today. what does that tell you? should we read anything into at or is that -- >> again i wl liken it to there are plenty o people far more ucated on this than i but from a negotiation standpoint i think ag
dispatch the lieutenants in this case because it is president of the united states and speaker boehner and what not of the as i said you send out your feelers behind the scenes for back rm discussions if not negotiations that the erican public is never going to berivy too of course. melissa: yeah. >> i would be very surprised if that wasn't going on because the magnitude of what this means to this country and the economy of this country is so profound that i would be shocked if, that...
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any moment now, house speaker john boehner will light the capitol christmas tree. yes, it's still called a christmas tree. enjoy it while can. this is temporary set. ♪ ♪ >> dana: back with more on the murder-suicide we talked about in the "a" block. we'll talk about the possible underlying factors of the violence. listen to rush limbaugh. >> might there have been a better outcome if there had been a marriage involved between mr. belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know. all i know is that i look at the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all across america. and all races. in particular, in african-american families and growing in hispanic and white families as well. do you think it
any moment now, house speaker john boehner will light the capitol christmas tree. yes, it's still called a christmas tree. enjoy it while can. this is temporary set. ♪ ♪ >> dana: back with more on the murder-suicide we talked about in the "a" block. we'll talk about the possible underlying factors of the violence. listen to rush limbaugh. >> might there have been a better outcome if there had been a marriage involved between mr. belcher and his girlfriend? i don't...
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sometimes i feel bad for the speaker, speaker boehner. he's caught between the elected obama and the unelected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first there's dell world. dell world? i like kirby's fourth world. there's dell world. is the risk taken out of this one now? it's down so low. or does it even matter? deleveraged buyout as goldman hinted in its sell-buy research upgrade this week? second, there's a -- how many times can you tell us that monster drinks aren't any worse and may actually be better than a cup of joe from starbucks? let us count the ways that this analyst meeting slash lovefest, they will tell you that there's no better way to preserve your heart than to drink a taste of monster every morning. now, analysts will be plenty hopped up when they come out of this meeting because they'll be recommending this stock in high-speed fashion. next on wednesday we're going to get the results from joy global. here's the company that has the best re
sometimes i feel bad for the speaker, speaker boehner. he's caught between the elected obama and the unelected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first there's dell world. dell world? i like kirby's fourth world. there's dell world. is the risk taken out of this one now? it's down so low. or does it even matter? deleveraged buyout as goldman hinted in its sell-buy research upgrade this week? second, there's a --...
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president does twitter q&a and response from boehner. the whole thing is nonsensical. >> we're looking not to be played and one of the ways we're doing that to point out, for example, the republicans have been incentivized to simply stand up and say until you come to the table and literally come to the table with john boehner and the president leading that discussion, at a given table on a given set of parameters to go forward, not much is going to happen. secondly they have incentivized the republicans to say, you know that sequestration deal? $1.22trillion in budget cuts and $600 billion in tax increases, you know what? if that is the best deal on the table, mr. president, the heck with you. we'll go with you. we'll accept your deal because that deal was created between both parties, the president and congress. and nobody can deny that. lori: perspective for you. thanks, lou. >> you got it. lori: you can catch lou every day with melissa and me at this time of course 7:00 and 10:00 eastern. tonight, michael roo mere recent for investors
president does twitter q&a and response from boehner. the whole thing is nonsensical. >> we're looking not to be played and one of the ways we're doing that to point out, for example, the republicans have been incentivized to simply stand up and say until you come to the table and literally come to the table with john boehner and the president leading that discussion, at a given table on a given set of parameters to go forward, not much is going to happen. secondly they have...
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but we vice presidehaven't seen meeting we want to see, the president and speaker boehner. we're seeing that now. >>> meanwhile, toronto dominion down today. it seems investors are worried about the company's higher expense and a slow down in mortgage growth. let's talking td bank. joining me now in a cnbc exclusi exclusive, the ceo ed clark. atlanta, georgi thanks for joining us. what do you think is most concerning here? how was the quarter? >> actually, we were very pleased with the quarter. really pleased with the year. we went into the year saying we were with going to have to work hard to get 7% earnings growth. we ended up with 8 and 10% overall growth. it's really actually, you know, we faced a lot of head winds this year. lots of things going on. so frankly, we're very pleased with the year. >> of course, you announced this acquisiti acquisition. why do this deal now? what was so important in terms of contributing to business? >> yeah, so, you know, we have signaled to the market for some time what we want to do. this fit absolutely perfect. it's one of these great
but we vice presidehaven't seen meeting we want to see, the president and speaker boehner. we're seeing that now. >>> meanwhile, toronto dominion down today. it seems investors are worried about the company's higher expense and a slow down in mortgage growth. let's talking td bank. joining me now in a cnbc exclusi exclusive, the ceo ed clark. atlanta, georgi thanks for joining us. what do you think is most concerning here? how was the quarter? >> actually, we were very pleased...
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the question is going to be what does the white house give john boehner, offer john boehner in terms of entitlement cuts that he can use to bring along his caucus? it's pretty clear from the cracks in republican ranks, becky, that republicans are going to give ground on tax rates for some group of wealthier americans, maybe half million dollar incomes, maybe million dollar incomes. but boehner to the speaker to bring along his caucus has to say here are the spending concessions that i want and i think that's what this set of conversations is about. >> john, it was interesting to hear it from senator corker saying, yeah, we should hold the fight on spending. you about he did it on the assumption that you're going to have this debt ceiling crisis that comes up again and these concessions that come up in i guess february. the president in his initial offer laid out something that he had to say the debt ceiling would be part of that, too. would he have back down and say we could have this conversation again in six weeks? >> that's a really hard issue. he said in the same definitive rates
the question is going to be what does the white house give john boehner, offer john boehner in terms of entitlement cuts that he can use to bring along his caucus? it's pretty clear from the cracks in republican ranks, becky, that republicans are going to give ground on tax rates for some group of wealthier americans, maybe half million dollar incomes, maybe million dollar incomes. but boehner to the speaker to bring along his caucus has to say here are the spending concessions that i want and...
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any moment now, house speaker john boehner will light the capitol christmas tree. yes, it's still called a christmas tree. enjoy it while can. this is temporary set. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] with 160 more miles per tank, the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. shareable data across 10 devices with uimited talk and text. by htc for $49.99. >> dana: back with more on the murder-suicide we talked about in the "a" block. we'll talk about the possible underlying factors of the violence. listen to rush limbaugh. >> might there have been a better outcome if there had been a marriage involved between mr. belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances.
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this is the first time boehner got his entire leadership team, including cantor and paul ryan to sign a plan that called for the raising of revenue. so what is the republican counteroffer? $800 billion in tax revenue by closing loopholes and deductions. should point out that would affect families with an income of $250,000 or more. >> brian: they're going to leave the charitable deduction and talking about leaving the mortgage deduction. there is other deductions. they got to get specific at this point. the selection over. >> gretchen: it would have included 600 billion in entitlement cuts and other programs, extends the bush era tax cuts for everybody and it raises the medicare retirement age and, of course, democrats are very testy about that because they don't want to do that at all. i believe have raised it from 65 to 67. what's important is what steve alluded to, which is boehner -- >> brian: as opposed to what i allude to inasmuch but it included. >> gretchen: it included the top members of the republican party. eric cantor and paul ryan also signed on to this closing of the loo
this is the first time boehner got his entire leadership team, including cantor and paul ryan to sign a plan that called for the raising of revenue. so what is the republican counteroffer? $800 billion in tax revenue by closing loopholes and deductions. should point out that would affect families with an income of $250,000 or more. >> brian: they're going to leave the charitable deduction and talking about leaving the mortgage deduction. there is other deductions. they got to get specific...
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the white house saying that boehner counteroffer is nothing new, that it lacks specifics. but i will tell you, zoraida, that one house democratic aid telling cnn that it passed the laugh test. so certainly i guess it could have been worse in some estimations by democrats. >> i suspect some people were laughing. brianna keilar live at the white house for us, thank you. in the next half hour, we'll talk about the prospect for a fiscal cliff deal with california's democratic congressman xavier becerra. >>> the rain and flooding are relentless in northern california. four storms in less than a week left at least one death now attributed to those storms. and more rain is expected today. let's get right to meteorologist rob marciano. he is following it all from the cnn weather center in atlanta. good morning. >> good morning, zoraida. this is the worst stretch of storms that northern california has seen really in about two years. another punch today then we'll set up for a dry trend. the good news is that it has been dry so the ground, even though we've seen a lot of major flood
the white house saying that boehner counteroffer is nothing new, that it lacks specifics. but i will tell you, zoraida, that one house democratic aid telling cnn that it passed the laugh test. so certainly i guess it could have been worse in some estimations by democrats. >> i suspect some people were laughing. brianna keilar live at the white house for us, thank you. in the next half hour, we'll talk about the prospect for a fiscal cliff deal with california's democratic congressman...
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john boehner, he wants fewer deductions, limits on deductions. that's the status quo right now of the discussion there. i want to bring you to the big board because we're going nowhere this tuesday morning on very low volume. back below 13,000. tuesday morning, here's the company: elizabeth macdonald is with us. david asman is with us. and nicole petallides right there on the floor of the new york stock exchange. china, cracking down on money transfers at wynn macau casinos. i guess that wynn stock is going to be down? nicole: you are right. we're seeing the stock down nearly 4% here. this is not good news for them overall. basically china's new leadership cracking down on fast money moving. they are going to set rules where you can't -- restrict the limits on how much money can actually be taken out of the country. there are a lot of new rules that would be put in place. all of it is obviously for responsible gambling, but it seems to be a lot deeper than that. stuart: i've been to that casino in macau. i mean totally different from anything you
john boehner, he wants fewer deductions, limits on deductions. that's the status quo right now of the discussion there. i want to bring you to the big board because we're going nowhere this tuesday morning on very low volume. back below 13,000. tuesday morning, here's the company: elizabeth macdonald is with us. david asman is with us. and nicole petallides right there on the floor of the new york stock exchange. china, cracking down on money transfers at wynn macau casinos. i guess that wynn...